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Frenchie

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: My very long review of Celeste Clip in Method - Finally!!! |
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Hey Guys-
So here comes my long overdue report on Celeste’s clip in method.
I have worn this method for almost 6 month really, and during these 6 months, I have learnt a lot, on hair, on this method, and what works for me.
The hair
So when I started, I decided to use brand new bohyme hair and some of my virgin russian hair from Gene –not 100% virgin because it had been lightened a bit to match my hair- .
The process of sewing clips on hair wefts was kind of a pain, because I am not very gifted when it comes to sewing, but I did it. It took me hours literally to do everything just right. All the pieces had been sealed with Sherrie’s weft sealant I have to mention too.
I had one big temple to temple piece, that measured 13 inches long, it was a double weft with some 18’ machine weft + a whole handtied weft from bohyme, glued together with LG. This “big” piece had 6 clips on it.
I had three extra pieces in the back, all of which were about 6 inches long. All doubled.
These pieces had 4 clips on.
I had two side pieces that were about 3 inches long too. These pieces had 2 clips on, smaller clips than in the back.
For a total of about 22 clips on these pieces, and 22 rings installed in my hair.
And then I added what I call my “top row” which I installed in a traditional way, using my “invisible weft” technique, with a narrow piece of tape and LG.
This “top row”, which was the only permanent part of my install, was composed of two side pieces, about 3 to 4 inches long, and another temple to temple handtied weft. Very flat and seamless.
I really needed this “permanent” top row because there was no way I could have done a “clip only” install without some major weft and clips showing through my own hair. No way.
So at night I would –if I wanted to- unclip 90% of the hair I was wearing, keeping only 10% of the install in one low ponytail.
The downside was that the micro rings or the rubber bands used would show through though. So it was ok to walk around the house but that’s it. Plus the huge density difference would have made it odd for me to go out like that, and sport a big fat ponytail or install a few hours later.
The material you need
I got most of my stuff from the place recommended by Kristie:
http://www.fusionhairsupply.com/id128.html
The “micro ring loop puller”, the regular microrings (not lined with silicone), the red pliers (sold in combo with an install hook that I didn’t use) and… yeah I think that’s it.
I ordered a bunch of clip ins first from Ebay, they were very cheap and came from Asia. So shipping took a bit longer. I ordered some small, medium and large clips in blonde color. I ended up using mostly the large ones, because they were easier to place when installing the clip-in wefts.
And then, totally by chance, I found this place:
http://www.beautyofnewyork.com/shopping/60YK191208KL0802.htm
It’s a store based in New York, so the shipping was super fast and almost free, and their prices were very good. What I like the most is that they had a sort of bronze/golden color that matched my hair color (at the roots) much much better than the “blonde color”.
I think unless you have very light blonde at the roots, (like Val’ or Sherrie) you might have better luck with a “bronze” or light brown clip. You’ll find this color in Ebay stores too.
When you order clips in large quantities, be careful with a few things. The clips are covered with a thin transparent layer of something that looks like plastic. It’s just a layer that assures the clip is smooth and glides in your hair. I have had a few faulty clips whose “teeth” were not well coated, and the metal ended up scratching my scalp and ripping my own hair. It took me a while to figure out what it was. So watch out for that.
Also, Kristie was right, get the kind of clips that have straight teeth, not the ones that have a little bend in the end. They won’t insert in your microrings.
I bought the little transparent rubber bands from the same place, because I wanted to try the rubber band technique as well, not knowing which one I’d prefer in the end.
http://www.beautyofnewyork.com/shopping/JNLO230407KE1247.htm
The install process
Allright, so when you have your clip-ins set done, which honestly takes a LONG freaking time, at least that’s how it felt to me, you have done most of the work. Good news.
I used my already measured clip in weft to get an idea of where I had to place the rings.
I would part my hair where I wanted to place the weft, place the piece against my scalp, and would get an idea of where the first ring would have to be. Once I’d be done with the first ring, I’d place the hairpiece again, and get an idea of where the second ring would have to go, and so on… Not super scientifically precise, but efficient enough.
Installing rings was kind of easy, like any thing kind of new (well I had already played with rings a few years ago) it takes a bit longer at first, but it’s ok.
Heck after years of tape and LG, trying a new method is kind of exciting!
When you close the ring with the pliers, do it in two times. I noticed it allows the ring to close more tightly. I would close the ring a first time, try inserting the clip in the ring, and if it worked, I would apply pressure a second to really close the ring.
Sometimes, although rarely, the ring would be placed too close to the scalp, to the point where I could not insert the clip. I would have to undo the ring, which would be easier if the ring wasn’t super tightly closed.
The rings would not bother me a bit; they were very easy to wear.
I had however HUGE problems removing some of them during the first month. It was mostly due to the fact that I wasn’t totally used to microrings, and how to safely remove them. I have found that for me, it was essential to see what was doing, rather than to “feel”. I remember Kristie said she was totally fine removing the rings if she could feel the ring with her fingers, for me, I needed a visual.
The biggest common mistake for me was to try to re open the rings without getting a good visual and being 100% sure of what I was doing. I would end up bending and crushing the ring, instead of popping it open. The ring would take a weird shape, look all smushed into my hair, what a disaster! I had to literally cut my own hair a few times to take out a few rings. That really motivated me to try the rubber bands. I learnt afterwards how to be patient with the microrings though, get a clear visual, and be very conservative when using those pliers at removals. It really takes a little amount of pressure. So this part took me a while to master, but now I’m totally fine and comfortable with it.
So the rubber bands… at first I thought they were impossible to put on. Again, new thing to play with, gotta learn how to use these babies. I learnt that I really had to play with them, “warm” them up, stretch them a bit, before I could do a little ponytail with them.
It took a little bit of practice at first but then I was totally ok with it. The rubber band ponytails would create little bumps, when done, which was usually fine with the clip-in pieces on top. It wasn’t as flat as the microrings though. I loved how light they’d feel at first, and surprisingly very secure too.
However, after a few days, I’d often lose some of the rubber bands, during shampoo or after blowdrying my hair. I thought maybe the ponytail weren’t tight enough. But after inspection, I realize the rubber band didn’t stand the heat very well, I tried not be careful with the straightening iron etc. but the rubber bands would come off and look sort of “wrinkled”.
I did some research to see if there were different kinds of qualities of rubber bands, but I realized they were all pretty much made with the same stuff. My rubber bands were supposed to be water and heat resistant, but still…
So I decided to go back to microrings, really work on the removal process, and stuck with this technique.
The Pros of Celeste Clip ins method
Well the first thing I can think of is obviously the big time saving you get by not having to wash, dry and style 4 to 6 oz of hair every single day.
I used to take off all the pieces before shampooing and would put them back in after blow-drying.
Secondly, I really liked how my hair felt healthier while I was using this technique. I monitor the growth of my hair and saw a clear benefit. My hair grew thicker and a little longer than usual.
When I switched back to LG at the beginning of 2010, I immediately noticed how my hair got thinner and a tad shorter after the first take down. It’s also due to the fact that it was a rushed take down and the install was waaay too old!
The clip in method felt SO healthy. I felt like I was taking better care of myself, by not using so much chemicals and staying away from fumes.
I also get scalp problems, it’s not exactly dandruff, it’s more like psoriasis I think. It comes and goes, not a huge issue, I know how to deal with it. Not having any tape or glue except for the top row was helping me I think keeping this problem at bay or treating it faster.
I liked how the maintenance was not super time consuming. I didn’t have to set up a whole day or two just for take down, cleaning and re installing the hair.
I learnt that I needed to change the rings every couple weeks. More than that and the rings were putting too much pressure on my hair or were just sliding out.
When I would change the rings, I would do one ring at a time. I’d take one ring out, then place a new one either in the same spot, or very close to that spot. This made it easier, and I didn’t have to measure anything. Changing all the rings would take me less than an hour. No glue, no mess. I’d redo the top row every three weeks or so, and it would take me very little time as well. So it was great to be able to have a clean tight install done in a couple hours really. I liked how I didn’t have to use chemicals, it wouldn’t ruin my french manicure, or messed up my bathroom lol!
The cons of the Celeste Clip ins method
I think one thing that bothered me was that it didn’t feel like I had long hair, on a permanent basis. It felt more like I had a kind of wig on, that I would take off and put back on every day. I didn’t like how I felt without the clip ins in.
The install is secure, but not as secure as with LG or tape. If LG is 100% secure, the clip in method is 80%. On rare occasion a ring would slide out, or a clip would sort of “lift up” from the ring.
This hair extension method is not as discreet as LG, seamless, fusion or tape. If it gets windy out, you need to be careful with the wind uncovering a weft or a clip. It’s not like LG or tape where you have a layer of your own hair glued on top of the weft. With the clip in method, the weft is by itself, with a lose layer of your own hair on top.
Putting the clip ins on was much more time consuming than I originally imagined. You do need to lift your own hair, attach it on top of your head, before placing the different rows and side pieces. It wasn’t a routine that I could do mindlessly either, otherwise the clips would show through. So even though I was saving some time every morning by not shampooing, conditioning and blow-drying my extensions, there was an additional 10-15 minutes spent on putting on the pieces every day.
This was ok at home where I have good mirrors, but would become tricky when I was staying at some friends’ house, or at a hotel.
Sometimes I’d have a clip that wouldn’t come out, the ring was stuck in the clip. In that case, I learnt to try to gently open up the teeth of the clip with my thumb, to let the micro ring slide out of the clip.
Another thing is, you need some kind of “logistics” in your bathroom and figure where to put your clip ins once you take them off at night. I don’t particularly like the idea of having hair hanging in my bathroom every day, my BF knows about it, but still, I try to spare him … I used to place the clip ins in a basket with a towel on it, so it wouldn’t look too freaky. It still felt weird, I didn’t get used to it. Again, it gets trickier when you’re not at home!
The clips are just a lot bulkier than tape or LG. When I wear an LG install, you can barely feel the bumps of the tracks on my head, but when wearing clip ins, it’s quite a lot of metal, and the metal clips sewn to the weft inevitably create thicker rows.
It can get a little complicated if you exercise a lot, with this extensions method. At least for me. I love running, I run on a regular basis, rain or shine. I couldn’t go out with no hair on my head, so I’d have to put on my clip ins. I couldn’t really keep the set of hair I had worn during my run for the rest of the day without washing it, conditioning + styling it, which kind of defeated the purpose of this technique. So I created a set of hair for morning runs and a set of clip ins for the rest of the day. Again, I kind of felt weird about the whole thing, like I was switching wigs or something.
One other inconvenience was that… well, you have metal on your head. Not good when you have a last minute plan MRI and you can’t wear any metal whatsoever in the room. And I’m thinking airport security check must be fun with a clip in set, actually I’d love to hear stories if some of you guys have done it!
What I learnt with this technique
One big lesson I learnt, if not the biggest lesson I learnt, was about hair longevity.
I wore my virgin russian + bohyme, so it was interesting to compare how both this hair types evolved through time.
The only styling I would do was minor ironing (about a couple minutes) every day and some brushing.
Surprisingly enough, both the Bohyme and the russian did NOT like the method. Especially the russian. I got a ton of split ends and breakage on the russian. It became quite dull after a couple months. Bohyme kept some of its luster, and seemed to do a little better, but also, split ends and breakage around month 3/4. I had to do a new set of clip ins.
I used to think that the whole shampooing/conditioning/blow-drying/ironing routine was the worst for hair extensions, well apparently not.
I realized that russian & Bohyme do need to be shampooed regularly or they become limp and lose their bounce and shine, every week or every two weeks max. When shampooing rarely like that, it was essential to use a clarifying shampoo, because we don’t realize it, but our hair extensions collect a lot of dirt and oils from day to day life, like perfume, lotions, cooking vapors, sweat etc.
I used to think washing daily was speeding up the aging process of my hair extensions like nothing else, now I think shampooing my extensions too rarely is actually the worst.
Also, when I wash my extensions daily as I do with an LG install, I also condition the extensions daily.
That little dose of moisture every day must make a big difference in the long run.
I also learnt that when you wear clip ins, you need to simplify your install. You can’t have a bunch of little pieces everywhere, you can’t “stack” up layers, as you would with Liquid Gold, the clips need some space. So you need to be smart about how to organize the back rows/ temple to temple rows and side pieces, so everything fits together and you still have the volume you want where you need it.
Finally, because the metal clips create extra bulk and thicker wefts, your install needs to be very tight. If the clips become too lose, the wefts won’t hang the same way, and your install won’t look natural and smooth anymore. That is why I learnt to change the rings every two weeks.
Conclusion:
It’s not all black and white. To me the big plus of this install method wasn’t the one I expected.
I felt it was a MUCH healthier way to wear hair extensions. It wasn’t necessarily more economical, as I envisioned.
And even though I would save a little bit of time in the morning, it was definitely a trade off because this method did require a good organization and didn’t necessarily make my life much easier.
I can say for sure that I will return to this method, however. It will be good to alternate this clip in method with a “permanent” LG method.  |
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Frenchie

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: |
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And the pictures!... Long time overdue hair porn!
And finally, a couple of shots to show you the growth I saw in a few months...
This picture was taken about a year ago, and it shows how my own hair was before starting the clip in method:
And this was after wearing Celeste Clip in method for about 6 months:
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Celeste

Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 168 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Wow, that is a long review. Thanks Frenchie:)
I have also found that NOT washing the extensions for a long time doesn't neccessarily mean they will last longer. They do need washing about once a week at least. Personally for me the added bonus here is that I can leave the wet hair to air dry whilst doing my own.
My synth usually dries on the radiator whilst I go about my routine, so I don't actually have to do anything to it, apart from a quick run through with the straighteners.
I know what you mean about not liking the full head of hair 24/7. I don't take my hair out over night, only every couple of days for washing my own and re-doing the parts where the clips go. However, I do like the fact that when I get really annoyed with a full head of hair, I can simply take them out and let my head breathe. I said before, for me this method is 24/6 because guaranteed I'll want them out at some point.
The rows are definitely bulkier than with LG and Tape. However, for me personally the fresh feeling close to the head is there almost everyday whereas the fresh feeling with LG and Tape went after a while as the wefts grew out.
This method definitely has its cons, thanks for taking the time to point them out. I'm surprised you still find the wind blowing a problem despite an LG top row?
On windy days I usually wear a style that ties a small portion of my hair up at the back.
The other con of this method is, IMO, there is almost no hiding it in wet hair... when wearing LG or tape and getting caught in bad weather or rain I could almost hide the extensions still, depending on how far down the install had grown. With clips its a little trickier, so carrying an umbrella or hat on rainy days is a must (especially in the UK;)) _________________
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Frenchie

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: |
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You know, even with a top row, the weft underneath don't have a layer of my own hair glued to them like with LG and tape. So it is very easy to have the weft part showing through or even the clips peaking through, in windy weather,
And you're right about wet weather conditions too.
I have learnt to always grab my hair as if I wanted to make a low ponytail when it's windy, twist it gently and bring it in front on me. I do this as reflex now, if the weather is too crazy. It prevents any show through and it's kind of elegant too!  |
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Celeste

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Your hair growth with this method is amazing Frenchie, and as always your installs look fantastic:)
Yes, I do that, too, with the low pony, but there is still always that odd moment when you're kind of caught unaware and suddenly the top of your head gets wet. I always prefer it, if that doesn't happen;)
I really am surprised you have trouble with that. I have a problem with top clips showing in weather conditions when my hair isn't freshly washed, or when I've just got up, other than that it's ok, but I've never had trouble with the rows below.
I do think though, because I haven't used LG and Tape in a while and have never installed too high, the top of my hair is thick enough to hide it. I also found the closer the clip sits to the parting line the better its hidden (if that makes sense).
I love the two tone colour in your blonde. Looks so natural. Which two colours are you using and how are you arranging the wefts to get that blend? Love it:)
xx _________________
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Frenchie

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Celeste!! I am actually wearing a whole bunch of colors there. The russian that wasn't exactly a good match for me was used for some lower side pieces and back rows. It was way to ashy for me, and around 22-16 I'd say.
As for Bohyme there was some 16, some 14B, some 24 and maybe a little bit of 16 from Additional Length. Can't remember. |
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kristie m Administrator

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Wow! Great review and fabulous install pictures, Frenchie. Thank you for taking the time for such a considered post.
I think my installs were much easier because I only put in three wefts with a total of ten clips. And because I only wore my extension hair a few days a week, I didn't experience the same wear on my hair as when the hair was installed 24-7. Your observation that it is the wear rather than the shampooing that ends up thrashing extension hair makes a lot of sense based on my experience.
I agree that this method is perfect for someone like me who only wants or needs extension hair on an intermittent basis. For someone who wants that extension hair in there all the time, it might be a lot of work and hassle.
I'm so glad you experienced a bunch of growth and healthier hair with this method! I think it could be a great option for someone wanting to give their hair a break from tape/glue. Or if one were pregnant, it would allow installs with no chemicals.
Me, I'm enjoying my break from any attached method of extensions. I'm putting in two very short pieces of Russian on the sides with basic clips when I want a little more fullness, but I'm mostly extension-free. I know that using the Celestial method allowed me to fill in some of the growth that I'd lost using tape/glue. I always has sort of baldy spots on the sides when I wore a pony. Now that hair is much thicker.
Yay to Celeste for thinking of this!!! _________________ Do-It-Yourself semi-permanent eyelash extension kits that can give you a professional result with your very first application!
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kristie m Administrator

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:37 am Post subject: |
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OK. I linked your review to my tutorial on the method. Thanks again, Frenchie!  _________________ Do-It-Yourself semi-permanent eyelash extension kits that can give you a professional result with your very first application!
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Celeste

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the semi-permanent glue applications and this non-permanent method have pro's and con's equally.
There are days where I am thinking, I wish I didn't have to readjust the hair in the morning, and had them in attached (glued) to my head. When I think back to how wonderful a brand new LG install feels, I'd have that back in an instant...heck, I'd do it tonight.
But then at the same time, thinking back to the last couple of days before takedown when wefts were hanging low and then the whole day that went into a new install... . Installation as such wouldn't bother me, I enjoyed that bit (especially if it was new hair), but takedown I used to hate that.
I also think that no matter how careful you are with glue in extensions, there will be some damage and some hairloss. The question is whether one is willing to take that into consideration and only wear extensions for the next so and so many years, or whether you'd quite like an half-way acceptable own head of hair.
I know that some people only wear extensions for the lenght. In that case, that is exactly what they are, an extension to usually nice hair that's too short for the wearers liking.
In my case (and I think that goes for many of the all year round extension wearers here), it's because my own hair is thin and flimsy, has no real body to it and would never reach a proper length whilst looking good. I don't think I'd go without extensions now, BUT at the same time, I don't completely want to ruin my own hair. I don't know why this is important to me, especially since my own hair is crap, but the damage sustained from using glue and tape did use to bother me a bit (well, worry me more like).
Since I am using this clip in method pretty much permanently, i.e. I don't really take the hair out, unless I'm washing my own, and don't want to wash the extensions, I am never actually bald as such. I like that for up-dos or certain hairstyle I can simply move a clip if its in the way, and I like that the install never gets to that point where its uncomfortable and handing too low or anything.
Ideally, I wish I could somehow have the hair I'm faking for real, but that's not going to happen. I'm not even experiencing that hair or nail growth everyone is raving on about in pregnancy, so there is just no way, my hair will ever be anywhere near like the one I've got now, so I'll have to make do with whatever methods seem the most convenient and feasible.
I think especially with a baby on the way, I don't think I'll be going back to glue any time soon, as I simply wouldnt have the time to devote a whole day to a takedown without getting a nanny for that specific reason (lol, I would;) ). _________________
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Frenchie

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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I agree that if you think you'll wear extensions for a limited period of time, while waiting to grow your own hair to a certain length, then you definitely want to take the damage factor more into account. I don't really do it too much, because I feel like I'll always love wearing my hair extensions!!
I am not the most patient though, I have to say, when I remove an LG or tape install. Everything's gotta go, quick!! lol
So I'm sure a more patient person would see a very very minimal damage from the same install method.
The other thing I want to say, is it's important to remember that an extension method has to fit someone's lifestyle. As I go running almost every day, this clip in method requires me to wear two different sets of clip ins every day, in order not to ruin the clip ins I want to wear during the day. Switching clip ins feels kinda tedious.
It's all a trade off, I guess. |
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kristie m Administrator

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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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One of the main reasons I got an elliptical at home was to avoid having to worry about having stupid hair while working out in public. If I had to put a set of clip ins on to work out, I wouldn't like that extension method at all. _________________ Do-It-Yourself semi-permanent eyelash extension kits that can give you a professional result with your very first application!
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Frenchie

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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, I hear you Kristie. For me, I run outside and play coed sports ouside also, almost every day. I almost always wear a baseball cap, so that helps, but even though, I needed to put in clip ins anyway for length + volume. How's your foot now Kristie? |
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kristie m Administrator

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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for asking, Frenchie. My foot's doing great! I'm up to almost 40 minutes on the elliptical, albeit at a lower resistance than before. I'll be having my second surgery on April 20 to have the hardware removed from my foot. Once that's out I should be close to 100% very quickly!
It seems like a miracle that my congenitally crooked, painful, unstable foot is now straight and secure. Despite having seven incisions and nine procedures done on it, it actually looks much prettier than before. I'm lucky to heal well, so I really don't have much scarring at all.
I've had significant pain for over 15 years and many falls due to my deformity. Walking without pain and without fear of toppling is going to be an amazing experience for me. I'm planning on being able to be much more active than I've been able to be for a long time. Yay! _________________ Do-It-Yourself semi-permanent eyelash extension kits that can give you a professional result with your very first application!
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Frenchie

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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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That is wonderful Kristie, all that pain and patience is paying off. I hope you can enjoy more fun outside with your new healthy feet!
Spring is in the air here in NYC, I will be spending even more time out! |
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valentine319

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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the review Frenchie!
Glad to hear you are doing better Kristie! |
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